tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post5750574634969969096..comments2023-03-30T04:18:01.811-07:00Comments on Screams from the Porch: Harmon: Compassion Knoxville blew itMike Donilahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18400768249723304044noreply@blogger.comBlogger41125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-57624736293812254312011-08-26T14:26:17.328-07:002011-08-26T14:26:17.328-07:00They do exist, as I explained above and will expla...They do exist, as I explained above and will explain again, typing slowly this time so you can understand.<br /><br />But first, yes, Weatherstone said the exact same thing I said. The vouchers exist but are being used, as there are too many people in need for the amount of money available. Just because demand is greater than supply doesn't mean there's no supply.<br /><br />As people move out of the Section 8 program (through death, moving into a group facility, moving out because they got a job, whatever), the money for their rent is freed up and goes to new vouchers for clients on the waiting list, many of whom are homeless. That's not my explanation - that's KCDC executive director Alvin Nance's explanation. Are you saying you know more about the voucher system than Alvin Nance? Seriously?Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-10236470684997765222011-08-26T14:11:24.743-07:002011-08-26T14:11:24.743-07:00Well, she said the same thing I did - there are mo...Well, she said the same thing I did - there are more people than there are vouchers. That's not the same thing as saying there are no vouchers. <br /><br />She said the same thing you did? Can you really say you have been straight forward in what you have written? No amount of word play will change the facts. There are no vouchers to fill MinVilla and Flenniken. <br /><br />They don't exist.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-66355502882210302112011-08-26T13:49:30.817-07:002011-08-26T13:49:30.817-07:00Well, she said the same thing I did - there are m...Well, she said the same thing I did - there are more people than there are vouchers. That's not the same thing as saying there are no vouchers. <br /><br />I got my information from Alvin Nance, by the way, who is the absolute best source for KCDC and Section 8 information. Nance is the one who told me about the new vouchers for homeless veterans. He also explained that new vouchers are issued as people leave Section 8 housing for whatever reason. The WBIR story noted that more than half those on the waiting list are believed to be homeless, so I would imagine the will receive vouchers as money becomes available. He told me that saying there are no vouchers is incorrect.<br /><br />You have been so consistently wrong on the facts that you are hardly in a position to question my knowledge of the subject.<br /><br />And I don't blame Bush. After all, he was the guy who put the emphasis on ten year plans and permanent supportive housing.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-46237287705740686872011-08-26T13:29:16.692-07:002011-08-26T13:29:16.692-07:00Um, because there ARE housing vouchers.
I guess ...Um, because there ARE housing vouchers. <br /><br />I guess you are saying that Ginny Weatherstone is wrong them. <br /><br />http://www.wbir.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=178470<br /><br />"The voucher system is problematic, there are more people in need of housing than there are vouchers," Ginny Weatherstone, the Chief Executive Officer of The Volunteer Ministry Center said.<br /><br />You've made mistakes in what you have claimed. Should you be writing editorials if you understand so little about the subject?<br /><br />When will you break down and blame George Bush?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-59108715228643073912011-08-26T12:23:24.611-07:002011-08-26T12:23:24.611-07:00Um, because there ARE housing vouchers.Um, because there ARE housing vouchers.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-77198276690101236752011-08-26T12:22:05.798-07:002011-08-26T12:22:05.798-07:00Make an assertion, and when shown to be wrong chan...Make an assertion, and when shown to be wrong change the subject. <br /><br />Wrong? MinVilla cannot be filled now because there are no housing vouchers. How is that wrong?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-9172774389258393792011-08-26T11:26:44.009-07:002011-08-26T11:26:44.009-07:00Good move. Make an assertion, and when shown to be...Good move. Make an assertion, and when shown to be wrong change the subject. Flenniken was built for the chronically homeless and I have heard no reason to believe that it will be used for any other purpose.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-82086995611386974482011-08-26T11:17:27.802-07:002011-08-26T11:17:27.802-07:00Flenniken was built because there's a need,and...Flenniken was built because there's a need,and some categories of homeless people get priority in the Section 8 program - that is, they can be added to the waiting list and move to the top in some instances.<br /><br />Wasn't Flenniken for the chronically homeless? Don't tell us that $7 million dollars was spent when KCDC could have built four times the number of apartments for the same money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-7717483122981072742011-08-26T10:52:19.579-07:002011-08-26T10:52:19.579-07:00I have never heard anyone suggest the city create ...I have never heard anyone suggest the city create a housing vouchers program.<br /><br />Flenniken was built because there's a need,and some categories of homeless people get priority in the Section 8 program - that is, they can be added to the waiting list and move to the top in some instances.<br /><br />The possibility that HUD's budget would be cut sugnificantly didn't arise until this summer's debt limit fiasco, which was well after Flenniken renovations began. Unless the Section 8 program is cut altogether, there will be some money in the coming years, just not as much as currently available. If the program is completely cut, we're going to have a much bigger homeless problem than we have now.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-15745096352964535362011-08-26T09:59:16.005-07:002011-08-26T09:59:16.005-07:00HUD sends money for the Section 8 program. KCDC th...HUD sends money for the Section 8 program. KCDC then issues the vouchers, which vary in amount due to the income of the recipient. <br /><br />Then why was Flenniken built? Unless you can say that HUD will send KCDC more money next year it will be impossible to fill Flenniken. Why did you write an editorial praising Compassion Knoxville when they ignored the fact that no additional HUD money is coming? <br /><br />Is the plan for the City of Knoxville to create homeless housing vouchers with city money?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-81880716824058132312011-08-26T09:29:05.948-07:002011-08-26T09:29:05.948-07:00Yes, they got enough to provide 25 vouchers design...Yes, they got enough to provide 25 vouchers designated for homeless veterans only. <br /><br />Again, HUD does not send a specific number of vouchers to KCDC. HUD sends money for the Section 8 program. KCDC then issues the vouchers, which vary in amount due to the income of the recipient.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-19214194257130414742011-08-26T09:13:31.019-07:002011-08-26T09:13:31.019-07:00No, they are not static.
Then that means that KCD...No, they are not static.<br /><br />Then that means that KCDC got more vouchers this past year? You wrote about there were new vouchers. New, as in additional?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-3386224270916749372011-08-26T08:01:53.283-07:002011-08-26T08:01:53.283-07:00No, they are not static. HUD gives KCDC a pot of m...No, they are not static. HUD gives KCDC a pot of money from which to issue Section 8 vouchers. People apply to KCDC for the vouchers. Each applicant has a different income level, and Section 8 vouchers are based on income, so the number and dollar amount of vouchers varies. As I said previously, the super committee might slash HUD funding for Section 8, but for now KCDC's Section 8 program is still in effect. The problem is, unfortunately there are many more people in need of affordable housing than there is money for the vouchers.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-25748014762668073702011-08-26T07:51:53.259-07:002011-08-26T07:51:53.259-07:00But they still have Section 8 money and are issuin...But they still have Section 8 money and are issuing new vouchers as the fortunate ones roll out of the program. <br /><br />Aren't the number of KCDC vouchers static?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-10489977297163374942011-08-25T13:19:03.558-07:002011-08-25T13:19:03.558-07:00You are incorrect about housing vouchers. In fact,...You are incorrect about housing vouchers. In fact, this year KCDC got 25 vouchers set aside specifically for homeless veterans. They aren't adding new people to the waiting list (though there are excpetions, including those who are homeless through no fault of their own or by government action). But they still have Section 8 money and are issuing new vouchers as the fortunate ones roll out of the program.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-48204819883052002782011-08-25T05:54:49.817-07:002011-08-25T05:54:49.817-07:00You said I put words in Rogero's mouth, when I...You said I put words in Rogero's mouth, when I was clearly expressing what I hope her (and other candidates') position would be on the possible loss of federal money.<br /><br />There you go again. <br /><br />Possible loss? The money is already gone. There are no new housing vouchers. How do they plan to fill Flenniken?<br /><br />Why are you covering for Rogero? <br /><br />She said what she said. You can't unring the bell.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3OpiddI1oMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-20446697152098610242011-08-24T13:15:43.899-07:002011-08-24T13:15:43.899-07:00You said I put words in Rogero's mouth, when I...You said I put words in Rogero's mouth, when I was clearly expressing what I hope her (and other candidates') position would be on the possible loss of federal money.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-16141267702427846232011-08-24T12:52:11.598-07:002011-08-24T12:52:11.598-07:00Because you twist words.
Where?Because you twist words. <br /><br />Where?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-22910666332860874232011-08-24T12:23:34.733-07:002011-08-24T12:23:34.733-07:00Because you twist words.Because you twist words.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-54438124927162941352011-08-24T12:17:56.096-07:002011-08-24T12:17:56.096-07:00You are nuts. Absolutely nuts.
Because I take Ma...You are nuts. Absolutely nuts. <br /><br />Because I take Madeline Rogero at her word? Instead of letting you translate what you think she should have said?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-2456617659208054392011-08-24T11:57:02.367-07:002011-08-24T11:57:02.367-07:00You are nuts. Absolutely nuts.You are nuts. Absolutely nuts.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-43277583016516900962011-08-24T11:49:07.279-07:002011-08-24T11:49:07.279-07:00is that I would hope she (and the other candidates...is that I would hope she (and the other candidates and everyone else involved) would acknowledge that without federal funding new PSH won't happen. <br /><br />You are putting words in Rogero's mouth. She was very clear about PSH. What you hope is not relevant. You are defending Rogero from what she said with her own mouth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-63507136332956785072011-08-24T11:42:11.548-07:002011-08-24T11:42:11.548-07:00Nine, you are soooo tiresome. I'm not defendin...Nine, you are soooo tiresome. I'm not defending Rogero, though I do agree with her that PSH is the best way to address the issue. What I am saying - and what you are refusing to hear - is that I would hope she (and the other candidates and everyone else involved) would acknowledge that without federal funding new PSH won't happen.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-60255759462200795872011-08-24T10:53:56.491-07:002011-08-24T10:53:56.491-07:00Geez, dude, I'm not defending anybody.
She di...Geez, dude, I'm not defending anybody.<br /><br />She did not address what would happen if federal funds aren't available.<br /><br />Rogero wants PSH. You defend her saying what she didn't say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1613255034831961362.post-70383168980883033642011-08-24T09:39:04.849-07:002011-08-24T09:39:04.849-07:00Geez, dude, I'm not defending anybody. I'm...Geez, dude, I'm not defending anybody. I'm just pointing out what I saw in your link. You never answered my question about your participation in CK. You're not only hiding behind anonymity, you're intellectually dishonest to boot.Scott Barkernoreply@blogger.com